Gold Franco Peseta 1963 A Stunning Coin - Scam

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GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963 A STUNNING COIN
False misleading description by 3,500+ feedback Canadian seller.
This seller persistently and repeatedly lists items with dishonest inaccurate titles and descriptions.
Poor photographs often conceal the truth.
Many buyers have complained over a period of years.
Why is this person still on eBay?
Does anybody ever complain to eBay?
Do eBay ever take any notice?

Item Title
GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963 A STUNNING COIN
Item Description
Listed in category
Coins & Paper Money > Canada > Fifty Cents
You are looking at a stunning GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963 A STUNNING COIN
Our Comments
(It is actually made of aluminium bronze).
Other Details
Item # ********3282     Starting bid    US $2.99

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Feedback
We took a look at this member's feedback, and noticed the following which all appeared to be complaining about items described as gold which were not gold:

A coin described as "GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963" is not a gold coin. Misleading!
Reply by ***_******: If you are not 100% happy please return for refund, always contact seller first
Listed as,GOLD FRANCO PASETA,was really ALUM-BRONZE PASETA,misleading listing

not at all what i bought,it was suppose to be gold turned out a can'd half dolla
Reply by the_ashman: Yet another individual that needs to re-do grade 3 LEARN TO READ...

Ask ALL questions BEFORE you bid PIC looked gold headline SAID gold-NOT!!!.
Reply by the_ashman: This guy need to re-do grade 5, a real nightmare to deal with

No gold only regular 25 cent and toooooooo much for shipping! That's NEGATIVE!
Reply by the_ashman: GOLDEN JUBILEE MEANS 50 YEARS, NEXT YOU WILL ASK IF THERE CHOCOLATE IN IT !!!!

these arent gold coins
Reply by the_ashman: 2002 GOLDEN JUBILEE MEANS EXACTLY THAT 50 YEARS, COURSE THERE NOT GOLD

Negative Feedback Left by This Seller Included:
ARE YOU SANE ? GOLD JUBILEE MEANS 50 YEARS TRY GRADE 5 AGAIN

PLEASE CONTACT ME BEFORE LEAVING FEEDBACK

17 Items Listed As Gold - Out of 335, including:
GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963 A STUNNING COIN (2)
2002 GOLD JUBILEE RARE MINT 25 CENT COIN (3)
RARE GOLD JUBLIEE 2002 50 CENT COIN BU BU $$ (6)
RARE 1867- 1967 GOLD CONFEDERATION TOKEN STUNNING

None of the above appear to our experienced eyes as gold.
While we accept that golden jubilee means 50th anniversary, this sellers uses the description gold rather than the word golden. Nowhere in the listings does he make any attempt to clarify this point.
From his numerous negative, neutral and withdrawn feedbacks, it is clear that a number of buyers have felt sufficiently mislead by this buyer and his descriptions to complain. We can also see that most of these complaints are answered by aggressive and abusive comments, sometimes also by reciprocal negative feedback. We believe an honest and ethical seller would alter his listing to clarify the points complained of.

Not Only, But Also...
RARE GOLD AND SILVER MINNING TOKEN REAL GOLD 1867 MINT (2)
The vendor feels the need to describe this item not only as gold, but also as real gold, presumably to differentiate from his other phoney gold items.
From the photographs, description, and our experience, we are not able to tell whether the items are in fact gold or not. there is no statement by the vendor of the gold alloy (fineness or caratage), or any other evidence that these items are actually genuine gold.
 
More About the Vendor
We will refrain from giving the members name, we believe it is against eBay's guides policy to do so.
His profile page shows him to be registered in Canada since 2002.
Feedback 3574 98.0% Positive
Current Listings as at 1st November 2006
172 Items Listed As Stunning - Out of 335
108 Items Listed As Rare - Out of 335
17 Items Listed As Gold - Out of 335
53 Items Listed As Nickle - Out of 335
27 Items Listed As Nickel - Out of 335
27 Items Listed As Brilliant - Out of 335
43 Items Listed As BU - Out of 335

Why This Guide?
As well established (42+ years) dealers with a good reputation, we find it frustrating to see item after item fraudulently and misleadingly listed on eBay as gold. Most often, it is fairly obvious that the items are not gold, and perhaps buyers should beware, but we believe all sellers have a responsibility to describe their items accurately and honestly. Sadly we realise this is not the case, and we believe eBay should take some ethical and moral initiative, but even more sadly, we repeatedly notice that they fail to do so.
Occasionally, we get so fed up seeing items which we believe are deliberately misdescribed. Even more occasionally, we take the time and trouble to report the offending items to eBay. We have never yet noticed any of these offending items being removed be eBay, and we have never received any feedback from eBay to advise us of any action they have taken against the crooked vendors, or advice or warnings they have given them.

Who's to Blame?
We believe there are three parties who should share the blame for this member's continuing dishonesty:
The member himself. He should ethically morally and legally conform to normal accepted standards.
eBay. eBay should not permit this member to continue misleading buyers.
Buyers. The members who feel aggrieved at being duped by this member should complain to eBay about the original, and similar false listings. If enough members complained, perhaps eBay would take some notice. Perhaps some buyers have complained, in which case, eBay have clearly failed to act.

An Experiment
As an experiment, we have notified eBay, via their "Trust and Safety" section, about the misleading titles and descriptions in the two specific current listings mentioned above. We have placed these in our "Watch This Item" folder, and will wait with interest to see what happens. We suspect it will be nothing!

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