Buying Tudor Mint Myth and Magic Studies

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Are you thinking of buying Myth and Magic studies on eBay?

Well, hold on there! Before you put a bid in, here are a few things to think about to make sure you get what you want. For a start, 'Myth and Magic' is a collection of studies originally made by The Tudor Mint (owned by WAP Watsons in Solihull between 1989 and 2007, and now by Xystos in the North East of Britain). In total there have been several hundred different studies made. During the years that the Tudor Mint have produced studies, many were remoulded due to production problems.
In addition The Tudor Mint have also made studies for third party companies. However, it is the main 'Myth and Magic' range that we discuss in this guide.

Mould Variations

Early studies suffered terribly from design problems, and often a study would be released, then altered due to a recurring fault / design issue. You may see studies being advertised as being of "the rare first mould". Before bidding, ask yourself one question - is this a study that actually did get remoulded at anytime. To check this out, use the website - DragonsCavern.co.uk - where you are able to view an image of each study. If there were mould changes, they will be mentioned below the image (and possibly shown in several images).
Also, think about comparing the image of the item being sold with those shown on the website, to check visually which mould version it is.

Sales without images / images taken from a website

Be careful when reading the details of a sale without an image. Ask yourself the question 'why is there no image?' Most people now have a digital camera that they could use to take a quick photo, so why haven't they? Check out DragonsCavern.co.uk to see whether their description of the study matches the item for sale.

Viewing the DragonsCavern.co.uk website, you may also find that a seller has just copied an image from it and is using that to show the item in question (this in effect means that they are falsely advertising what they are selling, as the image is not actually the item in question). If you read a description that sounds too good to be true - a rare version / an early mould 1 / a rare crystal - without being able to view the item, it probably isn't as is described. Use the website, and check things out.

Non Myth and Magic items

There are other manufacturers of items similar to Myth and Magic. The Tudor Mint did produce similar items for several other manufacturers, and so it can get confusing as to what is / is not an authentic 'Myth and Magic' study. One way to check if an item is a genuine Myth and Magic piece is to go to the DragonsCavern.co.uk website and click on the search option in the top right hand corner of each screen. Type the name of the study in the search box and if no results come back - it's not a piece of Myth and Magic! Simple, yet effective.

Low prices might mean high Postage Costs

Be careful of unreasonable postage costs with these items. There is no hard and fast rule on postage, but it is possible to send a medium sized study for around £3 - £5 in the UK, and a regular large study for around £8 - £10. You might find a bargain piece for a few pounds, but the postage could be so high it makes up for the low sale cost.

Also, look out for sellers who do not offer a discount on multiple items. When posting multiple studies, it is always the initial weight that costs (the Royal Mail have various options, but expect to pay around £3 for 1kg, and 75p for each additional 250g on top of that) So, if you are buying 4 studies off a seller who is asking for  £5 for each study, that is certainly not reasonable, but if they offer a postal reduction for 2, 3 or more studies then consider it.

Schill bidding rings

It's a sad fact of life that some people out there are wanting to take you for a ride, and will do anything to make you pay more than you should for a study. Before you bid on an item look at the sellers feedback - does the same name, or names, keep coming up time and time again as the successful winners of their auctions?
Try clicking on a winning bidder and seeing if there is a similar situation with their feedback - do the same names appear there too? *
Don't get caught up in a situation where you put a maximum bid in time and time again, and you're out bid constantly by a few pounds each time. Walk away. Chances are, the item will be relisted in the not too distant future.

*eBay have altered the bidding procedure significantly. They (eBay) now say "To help keep the eBay community safe, enhance bidder privacy, and protect our members from fraudulent emails, only you and the seller of the item can view your User ID in bid history. Other members will see anonymous names."
Of course, what this means in reality is you can no longer check to see whether the same name is constantly winning a sellers auctions. So rather than put your mind at ease and make you feel safer, eBay have actually made it easier for schill bidders to operate without being detected. Even more reason to be very cautious about returning to an auction and placing increasing bids when you are outbid on an item.

Where can I get more information from?

Visit DragonsCavern.co.uk and email the webmanager, or visit the DragonsCavern forum and register and post a message for other Myth and Magic collectors to reply to.

Always remember: Buyer beware!
If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

If you want to learn more about these studies, visit;

for a comprehensive review of the entire 'Myth and Magic' range

Website : dragonscavern.co.uk | Forum:  forums.dragonscavern.co.uk |  Blog: blog.dragonscavern.co.uk
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